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Feb 13 10 11:02 AM
Feb 13 10 11:29 AM
No, you're not getting it. Either you believe the Word, or you don't.
because I don't get the point you are making... I really don't know what you are saying
you have no Scripture to point me to
Until you show me in the Bible that my answers are wrong, I will hold fast to what I know of it.
you have nothing to learn
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Feb 13 10 12:46 PM
<how canya believe in HIM when you DENY HE EXISTS>
that's your "vain imagination" at work again in you cultist. I do "HEAR HIS VOICE" AND "BELIEVE IN HIM".
Feb 13 10 12:59 PM
<..we MUST first come to an understanding on how to determine what is a correct and what is an incorrect interpretation>
of course this statement is totally false. CHRIST nor HIS APOSTLES never mention any such thing. HE SAYS "MY sheep HEAR MY VOICE AND BELIEVE....", not come to "an understanding on how to determine what is correct and what is incorrect interpretation". You are still preaching cultism Brian T, and not "HEARING" and "BELIEVING" what "IS WRITTEN" as CHRIST TAUGHT AND COMMANDED. you are trying to advocate man's false "private interpretation" instead of doing what CHRIST SAYS.
<imagine a mormon and muslim debating NT SCRIPTURE>
Two people who have chosen to neither "HEAR" or "BELIEVE"? sure, I've seen them over and over look "foolish and blind" in their man made cult thought.
<but because they don't INTERPRET...>
no, it's because they have chosen to neither "HEAR HIS VOICE and BELIEVE". You are under the delusion that "FAITH" doesn't "come by HEARING and HEARING BY THE WORD OF GOD", but by hearing foolish man's interpretation. you're dead wrong of course.
"MY sheep HEAR MY VOICE"
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Feb 13 10 1:10 PM
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Feb 13 10 3:34 PM
BrianT wrote: FHII,Isa 9:6 "For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace."In this verse I see the deity of Christ strongly stated in a Trinitarian way. In Trinitarianism, Jesus's deity as the Son of God is not "33%" of the Godhead, rather it is 100%. Isa 9:6 tells us that the Messiah is not just part of God, but wholly God. The term Councellor refers to the Holy Spirit (Isa 11:1-2, Isa 40:3, John 14:26, etc.). The term "Prince", by definition, is a Son. He is also the "Father" in that his deity does not exclude the first person of the Trinity (John 8:58, John 14:9, Heb 1:1-3, etc.). He is also "Father" in the sense of us being not only his brothers (Matt 12:50, Rom 8:17) but also his children (Mark 10:24, John 12:36, John 13:33). Wrapped in the middle of all those terms is "God". He is God. The fullness of the Godhead (Col 2:9).Although he is not "part" of God, there is still a distinction to be made between the three persons of the Trinity. Jesus is the Councellor in one sense, but not in all senses, for when he was to leave, the Holy Spirit was to be sent (John 14:26-28) instead. Although he is the Father in one sense (as described above), he is not the Father in all senses (Luke 22:42, John 14:28, John 17:11&21, 1 Cor 15:28, etc.).
Joh 14:26
Joh 14:16
Gal 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified. Jas 2:24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
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Feb 13 10 6:17 PM
Bible Believer
Trinity belief is nothing more than polytheism hiding behind one mask. Hello polytheist!
Brian, you are slowly starting to see things my way!
Feb 13 10 6:32 PM
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Feb 14 10 5:48 AM
Feb 14 10 8:36 AM
XrcTim wrote: I explained it in another post Tiny Tim... I was spoofing you.What a liar. I doubt you can call me tiny since I am over 6 feet tall. What a schmuck.
Feb 14 10 4:37 PM
Didn't you know that this "modalism" thing, and obsession with it comes from the same pit of hell as the catechism of the catholic church and the rcc itself? it's just another thing that satan has used to blind men by, and lead them away from "THE WORD OF GOD". Notice all the ranting and wasted posting that goes on here and it goes absolutely nowhere. That's satan at work, not GOD.
In the meantime, I choose to "HEAR HIS VOICE" and that's why I am able to PRAISE HIM!!! HALLELUJAH!!
Feb 14 10 4:40 PM
Once again, you're proven wrong.
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Feb 15 10 12:04 PM
Feb 15 10 3:18 PM
I will not believe in a man made word "trinity" because it is not found written in GODS' preserved word(s) for us today!
the only way GOD refers to HIMSELF is I---period---
CHRIST nor HIS APOSTLES never mention any such thing. HE SAYS "MY sheep HEAR MY VOICE AND BELIEVE....", not come to "an understanding on how to determine what is correct and what is incorrect interpretation". You are still preaching cultism Brian T, and not "HEARING" and "BELIEVING" what "IS WRITTEN" as CHRIST TAUGHT AND COMMANDED. you are trying to advocate man's false "private interpretation" instead of doing what CHRIST SAYS.
So then, give me Scriptures that you deem contradict my understanding of things, and I will tell you why those Scriptures don't and that is all we can really do.
I have answered all those questions Brian, but you do not like my answer for some reason. It is written,
Verse 26 says the Father will send the HG, but in verse 28 Jesus says he will come again. Next, look at these verses before that:
Feb 15 10 3:37 PM
Feb 15 10 3:57 PM
Not part of the church that teaches for doctrine the commandments of men.
Feb 15 10 4:55 PM
Really Brian.... Because Isaiah 9:6 says Jesus is the everasting father and now you are saying he's the HG, which I believe as well. The difference is that I don't make a distinction and Trinitarians do. While at the same time saying they don't, but do. But not really. My thing is I refuse to put three faces on God. Trinitarians want to say he is three persons, yet one. I just say he's one. Why even bother saying he's three if in the end you say he's one? Why say there is just one when in the end you will say they are three? I'm not clouded in that confusion. You are... Now who was Jesus' daddy. Jesus being eternal and the alpha and the omega? But who was the father? Was it the Holy Ghost who overshadowed Mary or the Father? I've got many other questions that can only be skirted away like Isaiah 9:6, which never really fully answer the question. Answers yes, but only answers that lead to more questions. Ever learning questions, but never really adding to knowledge of what God is. The fact is that the Trinity is still a mystery which cannot be explained either by human logic or by the Bible. Since it is not in the Bible but a fact it was a term man made up to try to comprehend God, I will reject it. Once again, I do not deny the the Father, Son or Holy Ghost.... I'm just looking for proof that they are separate "whatevers". Sure, on earth, they appear to be separate. Other times they appear to be the same. What about in Heaven? Are they separate there? That's a philosopical question I don't expect a Trinitarian to fully be able to answer. The Trinity is just a philosophy and theory about what God is. It cannot (by it's own admission, I might add) fully explain who and what God is. I'll hold out for the real answer and not bother to pay attention to those who say I'm in danger because I reject it, and treat it as actual Doctrine from God. It isn't.
Feb 15 10 4:58 PM
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