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Feb 12 10 12:01 PM
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Feb 12 10 12:15 PM
They left because they were not given ears to hear. As it is written...
These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you. But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.1Jo 2:27By the way Jerry, I appreciate your thought concerning the immutable attributes of God as looking at the way we can understand the trinity concept.
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Feb 12 10 12:37 PM
<the reformation is responsible...>
CHRIST is responsible for "THE TRUTH" being preached for the last two millenium. Not man. CHRIST doesn't need any "reformation" or cult.
<could you imagine rome controlling.....>
Rome never has controlled GOD. There have been "BELIEVERS IN HIM" for the past two thousand years, even though, during those two thousand years man has tried to invent GOD. Rome has never controlled "THE SPIRIT OF GOD". that's completely bogus.
<you owe....>
you continue to preach man and not "THE WORD OF GOD" or "THE POWER OF GOD UNTO SALVATION TO ALL WHO BELIEVE". I owe it "ALL" to my LORD and SAVIOUR JESUS CHRIST, not any cult that has twisted men's thinking otherwise.
<you didn't answer the question>
of course i did. not the way you wanted HEAR IT though.
"ALL AUTHORITY IS GIVEN UNTO ME IN HEAVEN AND EARTH"
Feb 12 10 12:47 PM
<many people heard HIS VOICE, yet because of their wrong understanding of HIS VOICE, left HIM>CHRIST SAYS "MY sheep HEAR MY VOICE", not "my sheep hear my voice but some have a wrong understanding of me because i'm not clear and leave". You're confused again Brian T with all that cultism that has been pushed on you all these years. CHRIST'S "VOICE" is clear when heard. Men either choose to "HEAR AND BELIEIVE" or to hear and "BELIEVETH NOT". <why do you accept the NEW TESTAMENT as "THE WORD OF GOD" when "THE WORD OF GOD" SAYS nothing about IT?>
Clearly you don't, and until you repent and "HEAR HIS VOICE" from "THE WORD OF GOD" which you admittedly here reject, you'll never know. <why do you agree with catholics on the defintion of the New Testament?>you mean why do catholics, who "believeth NOT", like yourself, try to make claim that they believe what "IS WRITTEN" in "THE WORD OF GOD"??? While their "FRUITS" of evil evidence otherwise?No need to play your roman catholic games here cultist.
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Feb 12 10 1:05 PM
This is the reason for their unbelief, not because they didn't have creeds to universally define faith.
Actually, I have answered your questions over and over again with Scripture, you are just not hearing and believing the Truth.
I tell you AGAIN....Joh 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth:
The problem with your analogy is that you typify the creeds as the speed limit sign, when I go by the Scriptures as the speed limit sign.
Feb 12 10 1:31 PM
Feb 12 10 1:44 PM
I told you why already.
Your question is basically why do we sin?
You just refuse the simplicity that is in Christ Brian, and have exalted your mind above the mind of Christ.
You have already plainly stated that the Scriptures and the leading of the Spirit of Truth are not good enough, but that we need creeds and orthodoxy which have shown themselves to be erroneous already, to be in the Way.
You want to change your story now? What is your point now?
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Feb 12 10 2:07 PM
Gal 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified. Jas 2:24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
Feb 12 10 2:11 PM
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Feb 12 10 2:17 PM
Bible Believer
the trinity concept.
Feb 12 10 2:33 PM
Well, my points been made.
No one here claims modalism.
Only accusers.
And when proven wrong they want to change the definition of Modalism to fit the accusations.
For example, when you bring up countless verses in which God says he was one God, they claim uniplural words and change the word "God" from singular to plural.
When you bring up verses in which James say we are justified by works and faith and saved by works and faith, they change the meaning of the words "justified" and "saved".
So there are no modalists here. Only those who are on an inquistion.
Feb 12 10 2:41 PM
What don't you get gb? if it were not for the Reformation you would only know of Christ by what the RCC tells you and you would only have Bibles they endorse. You think there would be a KJV? You think there would be churches that teach the Gospel or would they all be underground as they were in the middle ages? You don't even ponder the possibility that the Reformation WAS of God and it was God that used these men to free millions of people from religious bondage! To deny that is to walk through life with blinders on.
You simply don't get it. You refuse to acknowledge history and the debt of gratitude we owe to men who lost their lives for the truth against the persecution and finally the murder by Rome. You have become a buffoonish character.
Feb 12 10 8:20 PM
Feb 12 10 8:21 PM
why do you not realize that I am not your enemy?
share with you what God has given me
you condemn my understanding as heresy on grounds that are not valid
but would rather call me a liar without even contemplating the possibility of you being in error, or even considering what I see about yourself
I have told you some things about yourself, which you say is not true...ok, forgive me for wrongly judging you then. But I tell you these things in love
You accuse, rather than admonish. I rebuke you not on your knowledge or disagreement, but on your lack of love for me.
I will let you be and I will pray for you, as you will also pray for me right?
I pray that God opens your eyes, and causes you to discern the body of Christ.
Yet my church is not of a universal church of the whole world
Feb 12 10 8:25 PM
Well, my points been made. No one here claims modalism.
I suppose when someone gets around to answering why Isaiah said Jesus would be called the everlasting Father, they will change the meaning of the Word "Father".
Feb 12 10 8:32 PM
<if it were not for the reformation you would only know CHRIST by what the RCC tells you....>
do you think for one minute that GOD needed this "reformation" to make HIS WORD KNOWN? What? Do you think in your vain imagination that the "reformation" is GOD? Come on Xrc.
<WAS of GOD>
"WAS of GOD". Long before any "reformation" GOD'S WORD and "AUTHORITY" were here, and men were being "SAVED BY GRACE THROUGH FAITH" in CHRIST. They had to die for believing "THE TRUTH", but they did. <...free millions of people from RELIGIOUS bondage>there's still billions of people in bondage to "religious bondage". "reformation" never changed that. there are all kinds of false teachers and false teaching CULTS, including but not limited to the RCC which are rampant throughout the planet. All who reject the "ALL AUTHORITY" of "THE WORD OF GOD", which is "THE POWER OF GOD UNTO SALVATION TO ALL WHO BELIEVE". <You have become a become a buffoonish character>
a "buffoonish character" which "BELIEVES IN CHRIST" and the "THE WORD OF GOD", which is "THE POWER OF GOD UNTO SALVATION TO ALL WHO BELIEVE". the 'WORD" which you are trying to tell me is not what "IT IS".
<YOU like I said have become your own AUTHORITY...>
I "HEAR HIS VOICE" and "BELIEVE IN HIM". you on the other hand are in bondage to history lessons of men stemming from the cult of roman catholicism, and as you put it, RELIGIOUS BONDAGE."Take heed that no one deceive you"
Feb 12 10 9:46 PM
Feb 13 10 12:22 AM
Teach me the Scriptures that I have misinterpreted...please!
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Feb 13 10 5:32 AM
Feb 13 10 10:26 AM
BrianT wrote: Teach me the Scriptures that I have misinterpreted...please!You're still not getting it. If I did discuss specific scriptures with you, by what method would we be able to tell whose interpretation is actually correct? There is no point in discussing scriptures with you until you can demonstrate you even understand the point I am making, and deal with it. I am NOT saying "Creeds" and "orthodoxy" are the grounds over scripture.
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