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Gal 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified. Jas 2:24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
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I am dealing with the definition given.
My overall point is that there are a lot of silly people running around saying "You are a modalist!" and I have yet to find one who claims a Modalist belief on this board.
Brian, I never called them three offices,
Now I understand that you are not really meaning person, but three hypostases
when I gave you the definition of the word person, I gave you the only possibly correct definition of the word as to not separate the three into three gods.
now I realize that you mean hypostasis, and not person
you can't expect me to fully understand your thinking when you use such a term.
Feb 9 10 10:49 PM
Feb 9 10 11:08 PM
Again, when I said that I was speaking in the context of the term person in the creeds.
No you don't mean person, you mean hypostasis otherwise you would stick with the definitions of the word person found in the English dictionary. We can't just make up definitions for words that are already defined.
True brethren study the Scripture, and interpret Scripture with Scripture. Can I get you to see that the creeds you often cite are of Catholic origin,
and that hypostases is a word that the average person cannot understand?
Feb 9 10 11:20 PM
And the CULT ramble continues when Brian confirms with<you are not using the TERMS and CREEDS correctly>
now a "BELIEVER IN CHRIST" would tell the LOST that they are not "HEAR HIS VOICE" or "BELIEVING IN HIM" because they have rejected "THE WORD OF GOD". nothing about "terms" or "creeds" which the satanic cults can manipulate. CHRISTIANS should never be caught in this satanic trap set before them with cult trickery, but should REST IN "THE WORD OF GOD". Notice how those who operate out of the cults of satan cannot do anything when "THE WORD OF GOD" is given as final answerI love "THE WORD OF GOD"
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You were dealing with one limited definition. You have clarified that you don't agree that the modes are purely consecutive, but only some modalists believe that. You have not indicated how you differ from the modalists who don't believe that, but have instead argued for their position.
If it walks like a duck and swims like a duck, it does not have to claim 'I am a duck!' to be a duck.
Yes you have, Jerry. And more than once.
I do mean person, just not with the definition you want, but rather the definition Christianity has used for nearly 2,000 years.
Yet I don't use that definition, nor separate the three into three gods. Therefore your definition is not the correct one.
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Like I mentioned before. This "modalist" stuff is all catholic invented satanic cult tripe. It's just another avenue these CULTISTS of roman catholicism which they are are attempting to use to draw people like yourself AWAY FROM "THE WORD OF GOD" and in to "doctrines of demons" which satan has used for centuries. There is only ONE TRUTH, and "IT IS WRITTEN" and IT IS "THE WORD OF GOD". no cult creeds or anything else. Beware of these people. They are 100% deceivers operating out of ROME.
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"A man with a watch knows what time it is. A man with two watches is never sure." - Segal's Law
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Feb 11 10 10:48 AM
ASongOfDegrees wrote: I don't understand this. Did the Father die on the cross? Did the Holy Ghost rise from the dead? Will the Father subject himself unto himself (I Cor. 15:28)? Did the Holy Ghost learn obedience by the things which he suffered? Clearly they are three distinct persons yet one God. The problem here is folks are over thinking this subject and trying to figure out the whole thing with their little pea brains instead of believing what the scriptures plainly say. You have heat waves, light waves and ultraviolet rays from the sun. All are distinct waves but at the same time make up one sun. This is a good illustration of the Trinity.
The creeds and the Scripture are not on par with one another.
We have the exact words in English to translate the original languages accurately. But back to the creeds, my definition of person is not wrong as I told you the correct word is hypostases as both are found in my dictionary. If the two words mean exactly the same thing, they would have the same definition
but the word person is used because the translators of those creeds did not translate accurately, for the word person is not sufficient in defining hypostases.
Do not despise my dictionary either, this is the life's work of a man of higher education than most anyone you would ever meet today.
"The early church laid out the Creeds, and the early church laid out the NT Canon."You are wrong, wrong, wrong.
The first council of Nicea was convened by guess who....Emperor Constantine, the founder of the Roman Catholic Church. This is also a direct quote from the Nicene Creed...."We believe in one holy catholic and apostolic Church."
There is not one catholic (universal) church
but as a Baptist I
"by the power of the Holy Spirit he became incarnate from the Virgin Mary" Who other than Catholics use the title...."The Virgin"? Mary is not "The Virgin", but she was "a virgin" when she concieved.
From the Anathasian Creed...."Whosoever will be saved, before all things it is necessary that he hold the catholic faith. Which faith except every one does keep whole and undefiled, without doubt he shall perish everlastingly." Do you keep the catholic faith Brian?
"And the catholic faith is this, that we worship one God in Trinity, and Trinity in Unity;" That is Catholic my friend.
"And they that have done good shall go into life everlasting; and they that have done evil, into everlasting fire." More Catholic doctrine from this creed. We have all done evil and none of us do good, there is only one good and that is God which is why we are saved by grace through faith in Christ, not our works, or the keeping of a catholic dogma.
"This is the catholic faith; which except a man believe faithfully and firmly, he cannot be saved." So says all the catholics.
You can try to deny all you want Brian, but I am not as unlearned in these matters as you may hope.
You are not taking one thing into account. The Ana-baptists doctrine is not really recorded in that "fundamental Christian doctrine", oh wait yes it is! The BIBLE.
Also, I never argued against it,
In fact, I really believe that you don't even understand it. If you do, then answer this....How or in what way are the Father, Word, and Holy Ghost distinct from one another? What makes them different?
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