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JR Mugz wrote: premise of this thread = when the cuckoo clock alarm goes off Jim
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steelmaker wrote: pope's mitre-dagon's hat queena hevvin-Semiramis purgatory-pagan legend RC communion-man-made cardinals-birds, sportzz teamxx RCC-collection of man-made myths trying to hide behind a form of godliness while denying the power thereof
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Jan 12 09 6:25 PM
Oh, you wanted a Catholic reply? OK. pope's mitre-dagon's hat Uh, OK, if you say so. Looks more like a fish hat to me. queena hevvin-Semiramis No, her name is Mary. purgatory-pagan legend Nope. Christian doctrine.
RC communion-man-made The Man who "made" it is Christ. cardinals-birds, sportzz teamxx "Cardinal" is also a color - red. That's where the name comes from - their red robes. RCC-collection of man-made myths trying to hide behind a form of godliness while denying the power thereof Nope. We're the Church that Christ began. You can read about the beginning of our existence. It's in the Book of Acts. Radar
Jan 12 09 6:46 PM
pope's mitre-dagon's hat Uh, OK, if you say so. Looks more like a fish hat to me. queena hevvin-Semiramis No, her name is Mary. purgatory-pagan legend Nope. Christian doctrine.
Jan 12 09 6:59 PM
Why is he wearing a hat at all? Try even wearing a hat in any restaurant or cultural establishment and see what would be the reaction? Why does it look just like Dagon?? Where is the pope in scripture??
I don't know where the hat tradition comes from. I think it's a little humorous when any bishop (the Pope is a bishop) says Mass - that hat goes on, then off, then on, then off. But it's always on when they're coming in before Mass and going out after Mass. I don't even know who Dagon is, so I can't answer that question. But fish isn't eaten on Friday to honor Dagon, it's eaten on Friday for the same reason it's eaten on Saturday through Thursday. It's good for you. The Pope isn't in Scripture - the Book of Acts didn't get that far.
Where is Mary called the "queen of heaven" in scripture?? Just produce one verse??
Where is purgatory in scripture?? Keep in mind, catholics say it is a place where catholics go if they die in the state of "venial sin". Where is venial sin in scripture?? Doesnt God say sin is sin? All unrighteous is sin. Ther thought of folly is sin. Wasnt the shed blood of Jesus on the cross sufficient for ALL sin??
Venial sin is sin that is not mortal. It's in 1 John 5:16. The KJV calls it a sin which is not unto death. A mortal sin is a sin unto death in the KJV. God never says that all sins are equal. 1 John 5:16, which is God's Word, says otherwise. Christ's blood is sufficient for all sin for which He intended it to be sufficient. He didn't die to give us a license to sin.
Radar
PS: I couldn't get rid of the underlines, once I started copying your comments.
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Jan 13 09 11:30 AM
Hey Art, I wasn't using 1 John 5:16 to back up the doctrine of purgatory, only the doctrine of mortal and venial sins.
Jesus' blood covers all sins, but not without the faith of that person and not without the repentance. Why the repentance? Because if one doesn't repent of his sins, does he really have faith? I think not. No one can truly believe in God Who created us, Christ Who died to save us, and the Holy Spirit Who guides us, if they think they can sin and not be offending our loving God. That's why repentance is necessary.
Yet 1 John 5:16-17 says, "If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it. All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death." Scripture makes the distinction - prayer for a brother who is in venial sin can save that brother (but that salvation is through Christ's blood, of course); but praying for someone in mortal sin will not save that brother. Mortal sin totally cuts us off from God, while venial sin injures but does not sever the relationship. Only repentance by the sinner can bring Him back to God. Because one in mortal sin does not truly have faith in God, or he would not have severed that relationship. One who commits a venial sin is simply a victim of human weakness. But no clearing of one's soul of sin - i.e., either injuring or severing our relationship with God - would not be possible without the blood of Christ. I don't even know who or what Dagon is, so I can't comment on where the Pope's hat comes from. That "Mystery, Babylon" propaganda was just made up propaganda that anti-Catholic fundamentalists have adopted as fact. The theories that the Communion hosts and meat on Fridays are "proof" of paganism is particularly laughable. Communion host are used because they won't spoil, or mold. Bread will. We use bread at my parish - volunteers bake the bread to be used. And yes, if it's not used quickly enough, it will mold. Communion hosts seem to last forever!
About fish on Friday - that came about when the Church said that Friday should be a day of penance. Back then meat was a luxury, so as part of the penance the Church said, give up meat on Friday. Originally that included fish, but then those who relied on fishing for their livelihood complained that they were losing business, meat can be preserved for longer than fish can. So fish was defined as not being meat. There's no rule that Catholics were ever required to eat fish on Friday. The rule was "no meat" - and fish was a common alternative. So was cheese.
The astrology claim is laughable, too. The Catholic Church does not believe in astrology. About the bishops hat - I'll try to find out the real history on that. Believe me, it has nothing to do with paganism.
The rosary is simply a device for counting prayers. They're nothing pagan about that. Mary as queen of heaven comes from Revelation Chapter 12. Of course you guys have totally distorted the meaning of Revelation.
I know that you're frustrated that you can't seem to draw us out of the Catholic Church, no matter how much propaganda you dig up. We know that a lot of our history isn't pretty. We know that the priest molestation cover-up was atrocious. But you keep describing how evil and Satanic the Catholic Church supposedly is, and it just doesn't match my experience. I see a Church devoted to Christ, though some of it's members certainly show no evidence of that. Most of us do, including most priests and bishops. I don't see Mary as the center of anything we do, the most I hear about Mary is on anti-Catholic boards. I haven't heard about purgatory anywhere but on anti-Catholic boards in a long time. The most I hear about the Pope is maybe a snippet of what he said at his most recent Wednesday general audience on my local Catholic radio station, but you guys claim we can't make a move without him. That's why I remain in the Church. What I see on this board about how supposedly evil and Satanic and un-Christian we are just doesn't match, in any way, shape or form, my own experience in my Catholic life. Radar
Jan 13 09 12:36 PM
I know that you're frustrated that you can't seem to draw us out of the Catholic Church, no matter how much propaganda you dig up. We know that a lot of our history isn't pretty. We know that the priest molestation cover-up was atrocious. But you keep describing how evil and Satanic the Catholic Church supposedly is, and it just doesn't match my experience. I see a Church devoted to Christ, though some of it's members certainly show no evidence of that. Most of us do, including most priests and bishops. I don't see Mary as the center of anything we do, the most I hear about Mary is on anti-Catholic boards. I haven't heard about purgatory anywhere but on anti-Catholic boards in a long time. The most I hear about the Pope is maybe a snippet of what he said at his most recent Wednesday general audience on my local Catholic radio station, but you guys claim we can't make a move without him. That's why I remain in the Church. What I see on this board about how supposedly evil and Satanic and un-Christian we are just doesn't match, in any way, shape or form, my own experience in my Catholic life.
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Jan 13 09 1:52 PM
<not without REPENTANCE> so when will your REPENT of that satanism you call "mother of god" and "queen of heaven" which GOD condemns? When will you finally bow the knee to THE "ONE GOD and ONE MEDIATOR BETWEEN GOD and men, THE MAN CHRIST JESUS" and stop fooling yourself as you walk that "wide road" to HELL you are on?
<no one can truly BELIEVE in the GOD who created us...>
and be on their knees before "carved images" praying to a FALSE christ a satanic CULT has invented called "queen of heaven"/"mother of god".
"you deceive yourself and THE TRUTH IS NOT IN YOU"
Jan 13 09 1:54 PM
Do you actually think that Christs true church would be guilty of mass slaughter of born again christians and Jews?
Do you think that Christs church would have the highest percentage of pervert, pedophile and homosexual scandels of all the religions of the world?
Nope. And I don't think we do. We just get the attention when we do. It's not easy being #1.
I remember that when the priest scandal was splashed across the headlines a few years ago, I read that the Southern Baptist Convention was having a meeting to determine how to deal with pedophiles among their clergy. And how much press did that get? Only on the Catholic website I read it on. They weren't making it up, it was from a news service. It's just that the mainline press ignored it. It's more fun to pick on the Catholic Church.
Do you actually think that the true church would be steeped in ritual, oral tradition and at the same time scoff at the finality of scripture??
Yep. The ritual draws us into prayerful union with God. Oral tradition is the Tradition of the Apostles. Scripture isn't the end-all be-all. Somehow the first few centuries of Christians made it OK without a New Testament, it was all oral tradition (and the letters of the Apostles, mainly Paul's letters, when they were made available at particular churches). I'm smelling the coffee. It's indicating to me that I should be following what Paul advocated in his Letter to the Romans. Romans 16:17-18, "Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them. For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple."
Except your words aren't always that good and your speech isn't always that fair. Radar
Jan 13 09 1:55 PM
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