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Oct 17 06 12:43 PM
Quote:you know, there comes a time when it goes past the point of replying.. you have made it clear that you have no interest in the bible, several of us have patiently showed you truths from the Word of God, and you stedfastly resist receiving them, so what's the point of replying? it is not up to any of us to "educate" you, it is for us to preach Jesus Christ and him crucified.. whether or not you receive it is your choice, as I have said before, and what you choose will determine your future, whether you want to believe it or not.
Oct 17 06 12:52 PM
Quote:I'm not sure I understand exactly why the absolute truth of the word of an omnipotent being (god) would need to be preached by anyone? Wouldn't such truth be self-evident to everyone, and as such need no one to preach it?
Quote:Romans 1:19-20 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
Quote:Romans 1:21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
Quote:If god wants all humans to believe in him, why did he not simply make such knowledge inherent to/in us? Seems to me it would have saved a great deal of trouble
Quote:If Jesus died on the cross for all our sins, then why are there still sinners? If you blame that on the devil, I remind you that (according to Christian faith) god created all things, including the devil.
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Oct 17 06 1:30 PM
Quote:You have gone off on a tangent that has nothing anymore to do with the OP.--KMoldenhauer
Quote:I responded to this elswhere.--KMoldenhauer
Quote:I notice you ignored the rest of my post which dealt with your false assumptions.--KMoldenhauer
Quote:I am noticing a pattern, Gyhldeptis will not address my posts that clearly and concisely respond to her.--KMoldenhauer
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Oct 17 06 1:47 PM
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Oct 17 06 1:58 PM
Quote:1. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord (Lev. 1:9). The problem is my neighbours. They keep phoning the police claiming that the odor is noxious. Should I smite the guy next door after the cops leave?
Quote:2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her given that she's only 12-years-old?
Quote:3. And speaking of children, my teenage son is stubborn and rebellious. I know that I should have him stoned to death by all the men in the city (Deut. 21:18 ), but I live in a city of over a million, and that's just not going to be easy to organize. Couldn't I just get my buddies at work to pump a few rounds from a shotgun in him for target practice?
Quote:4. (For Americans only) Lev. 25:44 which states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighbouring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? I have been unable to find any reference to Canada in the Bible. Why can't I own Canadians?
Quote:5. The guy down the street insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself or can I round up a posse of neighbours and stone him to death first thing Monday morning?
Quote:6. A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination (Lev. 11:10), it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this? This is a serious problem for me as my husband loves shellfish.
Quote:7. Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear contacts. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?
Quote:8. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev.19:27. How should they be put to death?
Quote:9. I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?
Quote:10. My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev. 19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them (Lev. 24:10-16)?11. Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws (Lev. 20:14)?
Quote:12. Jesus says Himself that if a Christian drinks a deadly poison, it won't hurt him at all. (Mark 16:18 ) I think that's absolutely amazing. Since you're a devout Christian, could you demonstrate that to me by swallowing a bottle of rat poison?
Quote:When you answer me these questions I will profusely thank you for again reminding me that God's word is eternal and unchanging.
Oct 17 06 2:02 PM
Quote:Ignoring and chosing not to respond are two different things. I dont believe my assumptions are false. There is your response. Satisfied?
Quote:My cut and paste questions still have not been answered. I consider that to be a lack of response on your part.
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Oct 17 06 3:33 PM
Quote:Eating shellfish is an abomination, however it does not deserve the death penalty, living a homosexual lifestyle does. Since Homosexual behavior deserves the death penalty, it is considered a more severe issue.--KMoldenhauer
Quote:But since you are more insistant on being angry rather than discussion, again I misunderstood your intentions here, I apologize, and won't waste your time any further.-- KMoldenhauer
Quote:I take it that the basic question you are asking is "how can we really know for sure?" Correct me if that's not the best summary.--BrianT
Oct 17 06 6:23 PM
Quote:How can you really be sure that your religion is the correct one when there are so many out there. It leads me to believe that they cannot all be correct. So how do you know which religion is the "true" one and which ones are false? IMHO, all things are subject to interpretation. This country was based on freedoms. One of those freedoms is the right to choose a religion. In the case of the Born Agains on this board, you are stating that yours is the only way and that is basically taking away the freedom of others to express them selves through different religions because they will be going to hell.
Oct 17 06 7:49 PM
Quote:Thank you KMoldenhauer for answering my questions. You did a terrific job. I am convinced even further that I am a non-believer. So what I am understanding is that people who belong to your faith are being put to death if they dont abide by these rules. How is the person killed and how is that legal by the laws of our country?
Quote:Are you telling me that all homosexuals should be put to death? That sounds like flat out bigotry. How do you plan to do this?
Oct 17 06 10:21 PM
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Oct 17 06 10:22 PM
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Quote:First off its not our way, its not us who say unbelievers who reject Jesus Christ as their Saviour will go to hell, It is God! So we are just the messengers, not the message. We dont arm twist nor do we chop anyones heads off if they dont believe. Thats not to say there have been some very tragic things done in the name of Christianity. But thats not God who has instilled this evil in the hearts of men. Thats just plain evil men that have done this and have harmed the name of Christianity. They have brought shame and harm to the message and the messengers as well.
Oct 17 06 10:31 PM
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Oct 18 06 6:43 AM
Oct 18 06 6:54 AM
Quote:I'm not sure I understand exactly why the absolute truth of the word of an omnipotent being (god) would need to be preached by anyone?
Quote:If god wants all humans to believe in him, why did he not simply make such knowledge inherent to/in us?
Quote:If Jesus died on the cross for all our sins, then why are there still sinners?
Posts: 525
Oct 18 06 7:59 AM
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Quote:So what I am understanding is that people who belong to your faith are being put to death if they dont abide by these rules. How is the person killed and how is that legal by the laws of our country?
Oct 18 06 6:04 PM
Oct 20 06 5:01 AM
Quote:Please read that phrase in the context of the entire response.
Oct 20 06 8:48 PM
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Oct 21 06 12:31 PM
Quote:"Most of them have no idea other then what they have been told."
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