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To all,,Which Bible do you use and does it matter? By David Otis Fuller The following is from a message recorded on audio cassette in the 1970s. Consider Robert Dick Wilson. He was one of the greatest linguists this country has ever seen. He was at home in, and knew, and spoke forty-five languages and dialects. He was a contemporary of the great scholar of Oxford, England, Dr. Driver, who claimed that the book of Daniel was wrong because of certain statements or phrases in it. Dr. Wilson spent years going through some 50,000 manuscripts to prove that Driver was wrong and that Daniel was right.
Bible scholar Robert Dick Wilson noted that "in the text of our common Hebrew Bibles, corrected here and there by the evidence of the ancient versions and through the evidence from paleography, we have presumptively the original text" (Scientific Investigation of the O. T., p. 69).
Robert Dick Wilson asserted: “Translations must err, because no given language has terms for expressing thought which exactly correspond to the terminology of another” (Studies in the Book of Daniel, p. 85).
Mar 2 15 12:36 PM
By David Otis Fuller The following is from a message recorded on audio cassette in the 1970s. WHAT IS RIGHT WITH THE KJV? Just so, I believe God was very definitely in the choosing of the forty- seven scholars who came together at the command of King James I around 1605 to produce a new version of the Bible. We are bold enough to say that we don't believe there was ever such a collection of great, I mean truly great, scholars as these who were so chosen. Another was Lancelot Andrewes, who was the overall chairman of the committee.
Gustavus Paine stated that Lancelot Andrewes (1555-1626), who headed the Westminster group of the Old Testament, was "the real head or chairman" of all the translators, directly under Archbishop Bancroft (Men Behind the KJV, pp. 16, 70). Donald Brake asserted that Andrewes “became the chairman of the translation committee and the most influential of the translators” (Visual History of the KJB, p. 91). Hamlin and Jones maintained that companies of translators was “all under the general supervision of Lancelot Andrewes” (KJB after 400 years, p. 7). Jon Sweeney suggested that Andrewes “was put in charge of the entire translation effort” (Verily, Verily, p. 85). Adam Nicolson noted that Andrewes “could be relied on to do Bancroft’s work for him” (God’s Secretaries, p. 86). Paine asserted that Andrewes "chose many other translators" (Men, p. xiii), and that he was "among the highest of the high churchmen" (p. 143).
The Dictionary of Literary Biography affirmed that Andrewes was "the spiritual and intellectual leader" of the movement that has been called Anglo-Catholicism, high churchmanship, or English Arminianism (Vol. 172, pp. 4, 6). Ian Green also referred to the "High Church or Anglo-Catholic persuasion" of men like Andrewes and Laud (History of Religion in Britain, p. 174). George Fisher wrote: “The ‘Anglo-Catholic theology’--the way of thinking represented by such men as Laud and Bishop Andrewes--with its doctrine of the necessity of episcopal ordination to the exercise of the ministry in any church, its feeling of the exalted importance of the sacraments among the means of grace, and with the ritualistic spirit with which it was imbued, had been growing up since the last days of Elizabeth’s reign” (History, p. 404). Trevor-Roper stated that "Andrewes pronounced the English Church to be apostolic, bishops to rule by divine right, and good works to be necessary to salvation" (Archbishop Laud, p. 31).
Mar 2 15 1:15 PM
By David Otis Fuller The following is from a message recorded on audio cassette in the 1970s. Another thing we need to note also is that practically every one of the committee of the revisers of the King James Version had been through suffering of one kind or another. Either they themselves had been apprehended and put in jail, or loved ones of theirs had the same thing done to them.
Richard Bancroft had Lancelot Andrewes interrogate Henry Barrow, a Separatist who had been arrested in 1587. Peter Ruckman maintained that “in 1587 Henry Barrow and John Greenwood had been imprisoned for teaching this Baptist position on separatism” (History of N. T. Church, II, p. 58). Hadrian Saravia [a KJV translator] interrogated Daniel Studley, another Separatist. Thomas Sparke [a KJV translator] interrogated Roger Waters, an eighteen-year-old Separatist who was kept in chains for more than a year. Nicolson reported that some of the Separatists were shut in the “most noisome and vile dungeons, without beds, or so much as straw to lie upon” and without any trial where they could defend themselves (God’s Secretaries, p. 87). After three years of imprisonment, Nicolson noted that “Barrow’s life ended in execution, for denying the authority of bishops, for denying the holiness of the English Church and its liturgy and denying the authority over it of the queen” (p. 92). Nicolson maintained that “Andrewes could happily see a good, God-fearing, straight-living, honest and candid man like Henry Barrow condemned to death” (p. 100). Diarmaid MacCulloch referred to the execution of three Separatist leaders [Henry Barrow, John Greenwood, and John Penry] for sedition in 1593 as the “martyrdom of sincere godly Protestants, in no way heretical in theology” (Reformation, p. 377). Robert Dale asserted that “their ‘sedition’ consisted in denying her Majesty’s ecclesiastical supremacy” (History, p. 151). Dale maintained that Congregationalists Elias Thacker, John Copping, and William Dennis were hanged for treason for denying “that the civil magistrate had authority to regulate the doctrine, discipline, and worship of the church” (p. 142). The Dictionary of National Biography noted in a case involving Puritan clergyman Edmund Peacham that George Abbot [who had been a KJV translator] "approved the use of torture" (I, p. 11). George Perry asserted that for his answer to a request for benevolence, Peacham was thrown into the Tower and his study searched. Perry reported: “Peacham was indicted of treason, for divers treasonable passages in a sermon which was never preached, nor intended to be preached, but only set down in writings and found in his study” (History, I, p. 226). Perry stated that “Peacham was examined ‘before torture, in torture, between torture, and after torture’” (Ibid., p. 227). William Urwick maintained that “James condemned to the scaffold, after torturing, the white-haired Old Puritan, Peacham, once a Hertfordshire minister, who died before the sentence was executed” (Nonconformity in Herts, p. 121).
KJV translators George Abbot and Lancelot Andrewes were two of the Church of England divines who urged the burning at the stake of Bartholomew Legate in March of 1611 (Paine, Men Behind the KJV, p. 142). George Abbot even presided over the proceedings (Ibid., p. 93). The Dictionary of National Biography pointed out that Legate and Edward Wightman were brought before the court of George Abbot and that "Abbot was from the first resolved that no mercy should be shown them" (p. 11). This reference work also pointed out that "Abbot was constantly in attendance in the high commission court and tried to enforce conformity in the church with consistent love of order" (Ibid., p. 18). Andrewes was also a member of the infamous Court of High Commission and the Court of Star Chamber (Sermons, p. xxi). William Pierce maintained that Andrewes had been “one of the agents in carrying out of Whitgift’s oppressive system and especially as a press censor” (Historical Introduction, p. 127). While he worked on the KJV, Thomas Ravis "was highly active as a hated scourge," harassing and persecuting those who would not fully submit to the Church of England (Paine, Men Behind the KJV, p. 93). McClure also noted that the prelate Thomas Ravis was "a fierce persecutor of the Puritans" (KJV Translators Revived, p. 150). MacGregor observed that Ravis “swore to oust those whose Puritan leanings made them reluctant to conform” (Literary History, p. 200). Thomas Bilson, who helped edit and revise the final draft of the KJV, also "carried on the holy warfare" against the Puritans and insisted that they wear the surplice and hood (Men Behind the KJV, p. 96). Smith also confirmed that Bilson "treated the Puritans with uncommon severity" (Select Memoirs, p. 322).
In a treatise presented to King James in 1614, Leonard Busher, a Baptist, stated: "Those bishops which persuade the king and Parliament to burn, banish, and imprison for difference of religion are bloodsuckers and manslayers" (Goadby, Bye-Paths, p. 57; Underhill, Tracts, pp. 38-39). Busher also wrote: "They cannot be Christ's bishops and preachers that persuade princes and peoples to such antichristian tyranny and cruelty" (Plea, p. 27; Cramp, Baptist History, p. 293; Underhill, Tracts, p. 60). Busher added that the bishops showed clearly by their persecutions that "their doctrine is not good, and that they want [lack] the word and Spirit of God" (Cramp, p. 293). Busher noted that "persecution for religion is to force the conscience; and to force and constrain men and women's consciences to a religion against their wills, is to tyrannize over the soul, as well as over the body" (Tracts, p. 34). Busher maintained that "the bishops in forcing men and women's consciences do therein play the antichrist, as well as the popes" (Ibid., p. 35). J. Newton Brown noted that during the reign of King James that "bishops were still found who determined to persecute the Baptists even to death" (Memorials of Baptist Martyrs, p. 240). John Jeffcoat III confirmed that “the Church of England continued to persecute Protestants throughout the 1600’s” (www.Greatsite.com). Even Peter Ruckman asserted that “one trait of popish persons” was that “they would burn people at the stake if they disagreed with them doctrinally” (History of N. T. Church, II, p. 12). Should believers today follow the bad example of these saintly, "exemplary," and "spiritually qualified" translators? Can we completely trust these Church of England translators who were persecutors of believers?
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