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Quote: interesting, alot of those questions are best answered by "NIV".
Jan 14 07 12:36 AM
Quote:2.) Which one is still saving untold multitudes of souls around the world today? (1 Peter 1:23; James 1:21)A. The Greek and Hebrew manuscriptsB. pre-King James BiblesC. The King James BibleD. Modern versions
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Quote:Fearful,
Quote:Let me have at this. 90% of all the manuscript evidence extant supports the KJV.
Quote:Anyone knows that the modern versions rely on a miniscule 10%.
Quote:Who had the easier time of translating?
Quote:The question is this. With all the tiny amount of manuscript evidence just how were they able to translate the modern versions?
Quote:Have you ever read the testimony of Dr. Frank Logsdon, who was asked to be part of the feasibility study on the NASB and a personal friend of Dewey Lockman (the man who put up the money for the translating of the NASB)?
Jan 14 07 8:04 PM
Quote:Why would you fabricate such evidence?
Quote:Not in the cases I have mentioned.
Jan 14 07 8:52 PM
Quote: Quote:Why would you fabricate such evidence?Are you schooled in the KJV at all or do you get all your info from anti-KJV websites and other materials?
Quote:The truth is that 90% of all manuscript evidence supports the KJV.
Quote:Just because you claim it is fabricated does not make it so.
Quote:I spent one full year studying the KJV issue is school and the past 21 years under various men of God.
Quote: Quote:Not in the cases I have mentioned.What cases?
Quote:How many textual variations are there from the TR and Wescott and Hort? Isn't it arond 5,300 variant readings?
Quote:Which one is then correct?
Quote:Honestly I don't think you know what you are talking about.
Quote:The NASB had a Unitarian as a translator for pete's sake.
Quote:I simply chalk people like you up to haters of the KJV and haters of those who hold to the KJV.
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Jan 15 07 3:23 AM
Quote:Fearful
Quote:I will tackle the Johannine Comma for now. As you probably know (maybe you don't) that Erasmus would not include these disputed verses unless one manuscript could be found that contained the "dsiputed" verses. If one could be found Erasmus would include it in his Greek NT.Erasmus left it out in his 1st edition in 1516 on the ground that it was found only in the Latin version and not in any Greek manuscript.Because of his promise Erasmus included it in his 3rd edition in 1522 and it has been permanently in the TR since that time.
Quote:The manuscript which Erasmus was given was 61, a 15th or 16th century manuscript which is housed today at Trinity College in Dublin.
Quote:The Comma is also found in Codex Ravianus in the margin of 88, and in 629. I admit that the evidence is not weighty, but to claim it has no authority is a fabrication by the enemies of the TR. Other evidence is it seems to have been quoted by Cyprian in the 2nd century. Scrivener asserts that Cyprian was indeed quoting the "Johannine Comma" as he said in 1883, "surely more safer and candid" to admit that Cyprian was quoting it.The first undisputed quotation was in the 4th century by Priscillian.In the 5th century it was quoted by several orthodox African writers. Cassiodorus in the 5th century quoted it in Italy.It is also found in r an Old Latin manuscript of the 5th century, and in the Speculum, a treatise which contains an old Latin text.
Quote:Whatever you have said there is evidence that is a true part of the Greek text. Do you want to simply dismiss it because of your hatred for the Greek text from which the KJV translators used?
Quote:I'd rather err on the side of caution.
Jan 15 07 8:04 PM
Quote:For someone who claims not to have read Ruckman, you know him well.
Quote:Your goal here is to try and anger me, in a desperate attempt to misdirect the attention.
Quote:Funny, your friend Chip has strongly called this story a lie. I know of many KJVO authors who have done the same. Which is it?
Quote:Didnt he strongly feel that this manuscript was a fabrication?
Quote:So we agree that the Byzantine manuscript record does not support it?
Quote:I dismiss it on the grounds that I do not believe the evidence supports it.
Quote:Why is it absent from nearly all manuscripts?
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