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FHII,
Thanks for taking the time to reply more fully.
in this verse [Matt 28:1], what do you believe "dawn" to mean
Just before sunrise. Mark 16:1-2, Mark 16:9, Luke 24:1, John 20:1.
i am on a cell phone and cannot offer long rebuttals
When I was on dial up connection, I would connect, copy/paste the post I wanted to respond to into a text editor, disconnect, spend as much time as I needed to type a full response into the text editor, reconnect, copy/paste my response. This way you can provide full responses and yet only be connected for a few seconds. In fact, it's sort of how I still do most replies (in a text editor), because I've lost too many responses due to clicking the wrong button, failed page loading, etc., etc. Doing your responses in a text editor keeps them safe and permanent (you can even save as you go) until you're sure your response has been posted properly.
now i can't say no one has never given scripture for the jews believing 3 days and three nights. the problem is they don't actually prove it.
Let me break it down for you:
About the Transfiguration, Matt 17:1 and Mark 9:2 say "after six days" (which would be full days) while Luke 9:28, also including a partial day before and after says "eight days". Is Luke in error, or is Luke using synecdoche and counting two partial days as full days? Est 4:16 explicitly uses the term "day" to mean both night and day. Likewise, 1 Sam 30:13 calls "3 days" what the previous verse calls "3 days and 3 nights". Thus, the "eight days" in Luke 9:28, could rightfully be called "eight days and eight nights" if one was using synecdoche even though it was only 6 full days, 7 full nights, and 2 partial days. Luke 2:21 says "when the 8 days were accomplished", but the 8th day was not yet finished - only 7 days and a partial day were technically accomplished. Similar with 2 Chron 10:5&12: verse 5 says the king told them to return "
after
three days", but verse 12 says the king said to return "
on
the third day[/i]". The third day here is only partial (verse 12), but counted as a full day (verse 5). Same with Gen 42:17-18.
Jesus himself said "
after
three days" he would rise again (Mark 8:31), yet "
in
three days" in other passages (John 2:19). Other scripture tells us it was indeed
on
the third day, not
after
it, that Jesus rose (Matt 16:21, Matt 17:23, Matt 20:19, etc). Jesus himself used synecdoche in Mark 8:31, counting the third day as a full day. And since we are explicitly told that this "third day" that the resurrection took place on was "the first day of the week" (Mark 16:9, etc.), the only conclusion is that Sunday was the third day, making Saturday the second day, and Friday the first day.
You see, scripture clearly states it was
on
the third day that the resurrection happened. The
only
way to reconcile this with "three days and three nights" (which would literally require the resurrection to be
after
the third day and third night, i.e. on the
fourth
day), is synecdoche as used in numerous other places of scripture as described above. The alternative, which your view forces us into, is that all the verses that say "third day" in reference to the resurrection are simply and purely in error.
you said the women prepared the spices before the sabbath and brought them after. ok, fine. but i didn't say they brought them after the sabbath.
But your point was that this verse (Luke 23:56) combined with Mark 16:1 proved there were two Sabbaths, because one verse used "before" Sabbath, and the other used "after" Sabbath - you were trying to imply that the preparing of Luke 23:56 was the same event as the bringing of Mark 16:1 - which it isn't, as a few verses later in Luke 24:1 show. Thus there was
not
two Sabbaths, and that the idea of two Sabbaths is a mistake based on simply missing out on what Luke 24:1 says. So, if there was indeed only one Sabbath (which would be the Saturday), and the crucifixion was on the day of preparation (the day prior to the Sabbath) as per Matt 27:62, Mark 15:42, Luke 23:53-54 and John 19:31, then this proves the crucifixion was on the Friday.
Brian
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