dcforrey wrote:
hi Shain,

The verses you quoted existed in the Geneva Bible in 1599, before the KJV existed.

When people read their Geneva Bibles in 1599 to what version of the Bible were those passages referring?

Forget about modern versions for the moment. Stay in 1599.

I already know about your opinions about "corrupt" modern versions. They didn't exist in 1599.

Please just limit yourself to answering this one question without referring to modern versions:

What was God's perfectly preserved Word in 1599?


Your Corrupt manuscritps did and here they are:

The Character of Codex Sinaiticus and Vaticanus

Sinaiticus from all outward appearances looks very beautiful. But it contains many spurious books such as the "Shepherd of Hermes," the "Epistle of Barnabas," and even the "Didache". It has survived time well, but being in good physical shape by no means makes its contents trustworthy. The Codex is covered with alterations... brought in by at least ten different revisers.

Vaticanus, as its name implies, is in the Vatican library at Rome. No one knows when it was placed in the Vatican library, but its existence was first made known in 1841.

This Codex omits many portions of Scripture vital to Christian doctrine. Vaticanus omits GENESIS 1:1 through GENESIS 46:28; PSALM 106 through 138; MATTHEW 16:2-3; ROMANS 16:24; the Pauline Pastoral Epistles; REVELATION; and everything in HEBREWS after 9:14.

It seems suspicious indeed that a MS possessed by the Roman Catholic Church omits the portion of the book of Hebrews which exposes the "mass" as totally useless. (Please read HEBREWS 10:10-12). The "mass" in conjunction with the false doctrine of purgatory go hand-in-hand to form a perpetual money-making machine for Rome. It also omits portions of Scripture telling of the creation (GENESIS), the prophetic details of the crucifixion (PSALM 22), and, of course, the portion which prophesies of the destruction of Babylon (Rome), the great #%#*% of REVELATION chapter 17.

Vaticanus, though intact physically, is found to be of very poor literary quality. It exhibits numerous places where the scribe has written the same word or phrase twice in succession. The mass of corrections and scribal changes render its testimony highly suspicious and questionable.

Vaticanus leaves out words or whole clauses no less than 1,491 times. It bears traces of careless transcriptions on every page. Codex Sinaiticus abounds with errors of the eye and pen to an extent not indeed unparalleled, but happily rather unusual in documents of first-rate importance. On many occasions 10, 20, 30, 40 words are dropped through very carelessness. Letters and words, even whole sentences, are frequently written twice over, or begun and immediately cancelled; while that gross blunder whereby a clause is omitted because it happens to end in the same words as the clause preceding, occurs no less than 115 times in the New Testament.

The Origin of Sinaiticus and Vaticanus

It seems that this type of text was a local text of Alexandria, Egypt of which Eusebius (Bishop of Caesarea) made fifty copies to fulfil a request by Emperor Constantine. Unfortunately Eusebius turned to the education centre in Egypt and got a "scholarly revision" instead of turning to Antioch for the pure text which was universally accepted by the true Christians.

Why would Eusebius choose Alexandria over Antioch? Primarily because he was a great admirer of Origen, an Egyptian scholar. Origen, though once exalted by modern-day Christianity as a trustworthy authority, has since been found to have been a heretic who interpreted the Bible in the light of Greek philosophy. He propagated the heresy that Jesus Christ was a "created" God. This is a false doctrine clung to by Jehovah's Witnesses of our day, who strangely enough get their teaching from the corrupt Alexandrian Text's rendition of JOHN 1:1-5 and JOHN 3:13, a corruption which Origen is responsible for when he revised the original Text to read in agreement with his personal heresy!

It is quite possible that Sinaiticus and Vaticanus are two of these fifty copies ordered by Constantine or are copies of those copies.

The Alexandrian text fell into disuse about 500 A.D. while the original Antioch Text was spreading true Christianity throughout Europe. The Alexandrian Text was abandoned between 500 to 1881, merely revised in our day and stamped as genuine.

This is where your translations came from, not the AV1611. It's your side who make the claim that these Greek manuscripts was better than the TR. And it's many on your side that have been fooled by their flase claims. So lets keep the facts straight..


Shain1611

"SANCTIFY THEM THROUGH THY TRUTH: THY WORD IS TRUTH
(John 17:17)

And Jesus Speaking; " He that rejecteth me, receiveth not my words, hath one that, judgeth him:the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in
( John12:48 KJV)