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Dec 14 06 11:08 PM
Lover of the Word
Quote:by Brian: Do you agree that Jesus as Son has a unique relationship with God, similar to the unique relationship that Isaac had with Abraham (Heb 11:17)? If so, did that relationship always exist, or did it have a beginning? I know you agree he was "Son" eternally, but do you think he was ever "Son" without also having that unique special Father-Son relationship? I don't, and that's all "eternally begotten" means.
Quote:by Brian: That would still be the case if "begotten" didn't appear in that verse. So why is "begotten" in the verse? Because the "begotten Son", not the "yet-to-be-begotten Son", was sent.
Quote:Brian: Of course. I am just saying that Jesus was not only "begotten" at his birth. He was also "begotten" from the dead (resurrection), and also has always been "begotten" (had his unique special relationship with the Father).
Quote:Exactly. Special unique relationship with Abraham that Ishmael did not have, even though Ishmael was physically born from Abraham.
Quote:Brian: I'm still wrestling with that issue, actually. No formal decisions yet. What's ironic about it, is that this statement in the Nicene Creed comes directly from Acts 2:38, which most KJV-only supporters like Shain like to point out has been "deleted" in other versions. Perhaps we should also ask Shain if he believes in being baptized for the remission of sins.
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