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Dec 15 06 6:55 PM
Lover of the Word
Quote:OK, I'm a bit confused. I'm pretty sure that earlier in the thread you agreed that he was always the Son, but were only questioning "eternally begotten". Are you now saying you no longer believe he was always the Son as well?
Quote:Forgoing the OT verses that have already been discussed a bit, what about all the NT verses that talk about God sending his Son - not sending someone that became his Son when he arrived. If I send my son into the store, he is my son before he gets to the store, he is my son for his entire existence prior to entering the store. He doesn't become my son just because he arrived at where he was sent.
Quote:Those are not the only possible answers. As I indicated in my previous response to you, I said that I believe that begotten can not only refer to his incarnation and his resurrection, but also his special unique relationship with the Father, like Isaac had with Abraham. Look at 1 John 4:9: "In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him." Does this not say that the person that was sent was the only begotten Son, and that the only begotten Son was sent into the world? I.e. that he was already "the only begotten Son" when he was sent, not just when he arrived?
Quote:Another small(?) issue - I noticed you said "conception", and not "birth". I'm not disagreeing with that (I usually simply use the word "incarnation" , and maybe it's just semantics, but the "conception" happened approximately 9 months (I presume) before the "birth". Does this have any bearing on the issue?
Quote:How could there not be a relationship???
Quote:by Brian: Well, I'm not sure if I agree with "Barnes" on this, but regardless: if one accepts that interpretation for Acts 2:38, one could accept it in the same way in the Nicene Creed, right?
Quote:If you feel I have not responded to anything you particularly wanted me to, just let me know.
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