Brian,

Where did the words " eternal Son-ship" come from?

I said in all post that Ruckman believed in the Son of God as we all do. What I have presented was the total nonsense that anti-KJV people do to try bring discredit to Ruckman and KJVonly's. And thats what this all boils down to.

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twist it, and go off on another rabbit trail.


Not at all, just presenting the total picture for others to see and judge for themselves. A perfect example of this is the fact that many have been deceived into believing that Ruckman doesnt being that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. Then they conveniently through out this Eternal Son-ship title to try and confuse the issue even more. As you can see many on this board have never even heard of this term. Talk about rabbit trails

The very reason why Ruckman even took this on was because of all the miss-information out there. And he devoted three " Bible Believers Bulletin's" on this one topic. And even after all of that, those who accused Ruckman of not believe that Jesus was the Son of God are still at I today. Any fair mined person who read this would know for a fact the Ruckman does in fact believe that Jesus Christ is the third person of the trinity, and that this Son-ship thing is just smoke and mirrors.

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Baloney. Jesus is eternal and God. We are temporal and human. Of course I was not implying that the "Father"'s fatherhood in relation to the Son is not the same as his fatherhood in relation to us. My point was simply that the Father could not be the "Father" in eternity past unless there was also a "Son", by definition. Don't read into my statements what is not there.


Jesus is eternal and God. No Jesus is eternally the Son and Word of God and part of the trinity. We have God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Ghost. Not singular and by themselves. When did Jesus become the " Begotten " son of God?

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We can talk about other titles after we finish talking about Sonship. You are setting up the same strawman, getting in to the same "Semantic Bamboozle", that Evans did in the article I am trying to discuss with you.


Those other titles are the same as " eternal son-ship." And I'm not at all setting up strawman, not at all.

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You started of forcefully and vocally defending it, and now you are using the same arguments against it as Evans.


As most others on this board this was new to me as well. And until I read all three articals that Ruckman wrote, I can't see why you are making such a big deal out of this. It weems to me that your are the one that's being Semastic here, and this is exactly what Ruckman said.

Was Jesus Christ eternal? Yes !

The point with Adam and Abraham was simple, if they were never born them what? If Abraham rejected God them what? The is a very simple example; where these men before being born eternally Adam or eternally Abraham? They were both born the same way Jesus was born. One was God clothed in flesh and other two men where just plain human beings.

Shain1611

"SANCTIFY THEM THROUGH THY TRUTH: THY WORD IS TRUTH
(John 17:17)

And Jesus Speaking; " He that rejecteth me, receiveth not my words, hath one that, judgeth him:the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in
( John12:48 KJV)