Hey Brian,

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But consider: The "Father" in the OT. Why was he called "Father"? One can only be a "Father" if one has a "Son" (or daughter). Yes, he is "our Father" and the "Father" of all creation in one sense, but what about even before creation? The orthodox Christian belief is that it was still "the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit", not "the Big Guy, the Word and the Holy Spirit".


The Father you are referring to is God, not a human father. Not a father in the sense that he had a son as you now have projected. Because to believe your logic then Jesus Christ the Son had a beginning and we all know thats not true. We also know that to even imply this makes Jesus Christ a lesser part of the God Head.

In the beginning God said, God said , God said.

Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

Gen 1:27 So God created man in his own image, ( NOTICING that the animals were not) in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

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The plural form of the sentence raises the question, With whom took he counsel on this occasion? Was it with himself, and does he here simply use the plural of majesty? Such was not the usual style of monarchs in the ancient East. Pharaoh says, I have dreamed a dream Gen_41:15. Nebuchadnezzar, I have dreamed Dan_2:3. Darius the Mede, I make a decree Dan_6:26. Cyrus, The Lord God of heaven hath given me all the kingdoms of the earth Ezr_1:2. Darius, I make a decree Ezr_5:8. We have no ground, therefore, for transferring it to the style of the heavenly King. Was it with certain other intelligent beings in existence before man that he took counsel? This supposition cannot be admitted; because the expression let us make is an invitation to create, which is an incommunicable attribute of the Eternal One, and because the phrases, our image, our likeness, when transferred into the third person of narrative, become his image, the image of God, and thus limit the pronouns to God himself. Does the plurality, then, point to a plurality of attributes in the divine nature? This cannot be, because a plurality of qualities exists in everything, without at all leading to the application of the plural number to the individual, and because such a plurality does not warrant the expression, let us make. Only a plurality of persons can justify the phrase. Hence, we are forced to conclude that the plural pronoun indicates a plurality of persons or hypostases in the Divine Being.
Barnes

Gen 1:28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.



Gen 3:22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever.

Gen 11:7 Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech.

So we do not see the " Son of God " in any of this, but that the plural pronoun indicates a plurality of persons or hypostases in the Divine Being

We do not see " Eternal Lamb-ship," " Christ-ship," or " Kingship or Servent-ship." And why not?

Now I ask you this Did Jesus Christ COME into this world to save sinners ( 1 Tim. 1:15)? Was " Jesus Christ " functioning under this " eternal" title ( Christ) in eternity or did it orginate in "TIME?"

What about " Prophet" Jesus coming into the world( John 6:14)? Was Jesus functioning as the " eternal" prophet before He came into the World?

And what about a " MAN" being born( begotten) into the world( John 16:21) BEFORE being a baby? Was Jesus the eternal man or the Eternal God/Man? Still, is the title " Christ/ Messiah" and eternal term or a term of time( John 11:2 with John 7:42)?

Did you know that even Adam was the son of God without being eternally the son of God. ( Luke 3:38) or being eternally begotten. Abraham also had an only begotten son that was neither eternally begotten ( Heb. 11:17) nor eternally his son.

Shain1611

"SANCTIFY THEM THROUGH THY TRUTH: THY WORD IS TRUTH
(John 17:17)

And Jesus Speaking; " He that rejecteth me, receiveth not my words, hath one that, judgeth him:the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in
( John12:48 KJV)