Hi Folks,

Rick seems to realizes he is fighting logic and sense and the pure Bible on Titus 2:13 and now switches gears.

logos1560 wrote:
In all other verses besides Titus 2:13, are you also implying that the Scriptures do not state or teach in any of those verses the doctrine that the Lord Jesus Christ is God?
My preferences is to state the doctrine of Messiah precisely as it is stated in the inspired scriptures (which you do not accept in English).

This helps avoid a few problems like the "begotten God" ... "Lord Jesus Christ is God" ... disaster that Rick apparently accepts as an alternate "preserved scripture".
 

If he disagrees, then all Rick has to do is say that the begotten God of the NAS is a corruption of scripture rather than a "correction" of a "copyist error". As it stand right now Rick has not criticized one verse of the NAS or the Westcott-Hort or Critical Text, which, along with thousands of corruptions, literally declare Jesus as "begotten God".


1 Timothy 3:16
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness:
God was manifest in the flesh,
justified in the Spirit,
seen of angels,
preached unto the Gentiles,
believed on in the world,
received up into glory.

Rick has a special problem here, as he does not affirm that "God was manifest in the flesh" is the scripture, contra the "who/which/he" corruption.

Colossians 2:8-9
Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit,
after the tradition of men,
after the rudiments of the world,
and not after Christ.
For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Acts 4:12
Neither is there salvation in any other:
for there is none other name under heaven given among men,
whereby we must be saved.

Acts 7:59
And they stoned Stephen,
calling upon God,
and saying,
Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.

Those who have no inspired scripture in the language they speak, tend to go to creedalism and formulations not in scripture.  The name of Jesus Christ is the name of all Deity in the scripture, the name of the Father, and the Son and the Holy Spirit, so if a person wants to leave the precision writing of scripture and summarize that as "the Lord Jesus Christ is God", that is their exegetical right.  Personally, I prefer to stay as close to scripture as possible. 

Rick has a special problem, since he has no English inspired scripture .  And even in the source languages, Rick does not know if the Westcott Hort and Critical Text are the preserved scripture "corrections" or not.  Thus he emphasizes words and phrases not in scripture, like Trinity, because he does not know what the scriptures actually states.


You doubt that ? Ask Rick to quote the SCRIPTURES of 1 John 5:7 or 1 Timothy 3:16. 
In English, or in any language.


Shalom,
Steven Avery



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