While I am ever learning, I haven't changed either. Can you indicate where I have changed my view on this in the last few days?


I have not claimed you have changed your view. You claimed I did. I only stated if we are closer together in viewpoint now, it must be because of a change in your thinking, not mine.


Well, Brian, if I have to explain to you what hearing the conclusion of the whole matter is, then further discussion certainly won't do anything.


I understand what the phrase "hearing the conclusion of the whole matter" means, but simply claiming a conclusion that is in opposition to the components that lead up to that conclusion, without explaining how the conclusion is something in opposition to what the components themselves are saying, simply won't cut it. It's like saying all the evidence that led to the conclusion were false and red herrings, and somehow you inexplicably came to the right conclusion anyway.


So did the Father impregnate Mary or did the HG? You gave an answer, but the answer didn't answer the question.


Your original question was who was his father. I have answered that question. The Father was his father, and he was the Son, long before Mary existed. As for who "impregnated" (your term, not mine) Mary, it was the Holy Ghost. The point remains that the incarnation was not the start of the Son being "Son", nor of the Father being "Father".


Really Brian, the rest of the conversation is irrelevant without you understanding concepts as looking at the whole of the matter.


Really, FHII, your whole argument thus far has been like emptying a box of fruit one fruit at a time, admitting as you go that many of the fruits you take out are apples, and then concluding that the "whole of the matter" was that you started with a box of bananas. Unless you explain how you reach your conclusion despite evidence to the contrary, your position becomes indistinguishable from irrationality.


It's kind of like concluding that Jesus died on Friday and rose on Sunday. When you look at all available evidence, it proves not to be true.


I already discussed that issue with you, and your final rebuttal to me was a simple and unconvincing "hmmm.....". Do you really want to rehash that? http://finalauthority4827.../reply/99419#reply-99419

Brian
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