"If that is true [that you are starting to see things my way], it is you that have moved, not I. Can you indicate where I have changed my view on this in the last few days, let alone the last several years?"

While I am ever learning, I haven't changed either.  Can you indicate where I have changed my view on this in the last few days?


"So "Jesus and the Bible talk as if they are separate at times", but you reject when Jesus and the Bible do that, because of "the conclusion of the whole matter"? What does that even mean? Is that like Jesus "appearing" to do miracles, but you have to reach the conclusion of the whole matter?"

Well, Brian, if I have to explain to you what hearing the conclusion of the whole matter is, then further discussion certainly won't do anything.  That phrase is in the Bible, and is our duty (please see Ecc 12:13).  Furthermore, it is not a difficult phrase to figure out.  It really is a simple concept. 


"Again, what does that even mean? Why are so many distinctions included in that [overall]"scope"? Are they put there as false witness?"

Again, I'm really amazed you don't understand this concept.  Do you really not understand what it means?


"No need to wait, it is easily answered: The "Father" was the "Father", and the "Son" was the "Son, and the "Holy Spirit" was the "Holy Spirit" long before the incarnation. His birth from Mary was not the start of him being "Son", he's been "Son" for all of eternity - "begotten before all ages" as the creeds put it. When the Holy Spirit came upon Mary and the power of God overshadowed her, then the Word was made flesh - that did not make him "Son", for he already was "Son"."

So did the Father impregnate Mary or did the HG?  You gave an answer, but the answer didn't answer the question.

Really Brian, the rest of the conversation is irrelevant without you understanding concepts as looking at the whole of the matter.  It's kind of like concluding that Jesus died on Friday and rose on Sunday.  When you look at all available evidence, it proves not to be true. 

Gal 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

Jas 2:24
Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.