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Feb 16 10 4:06 PM
Because Isaiah 9:6 says Jesus is the everasting father and now you are saying he's the HG, which I believe as well. The difference is that I don't make a distinction and Trinitarians do. While at the same time saying they don't, but do. But not really.
My thing is I refuse to put three faces on God. Trinitarians want to say he is three persons, yet one. I just say he's one. Why even bother saying he's three if in the end you say he's one?
Why say there is just one when in the end you will say they are three? I'm not clouded in that confusion. You are...
Now who was Jesus' daddy. Jesus being eternal and the alpha and the omega? But who was the father? Was it the Holy Ghost who overshadowed Mary or the Father?
I've got many other questions that can only be skirted away like Isaiah 9:6, which never really fully answer the question. Answers yes, but only answers that lead to more questions.
Since it is not in the Bible but a fact it was a term man made up to try to comprehend God, I will reject it.
Once again, I do not deny the the Father, Son or Holy Ghost.... I'm just looking for proof that they are separate "whatevers". Sure, on earth, they appear to be separate.
What about in Heaven? Are they separate there? That's a philosopical question I don't expect a Trinitarian to fully be able to answer.
The Trinity is just a philosophy and theory about what God is. It cannot (by it's own admission, I might add) fully explain who and what God is.
I'll hold out for the real answer and not bother to pay attention to those who say I'm in danger because I reject it, and treat it as actual Doctrine from God. It isn't.
I use words that aren't in Scripture all the time in casual speech. Yet when teaching and correcting brethren on doctrine, or prophesy, we should stick to the words of Scripture for it is written...
You are still not understanding. The one body is not what you discern it to be. I never argued against the doctrine of there being one body, yet as per the creeds, it is not speaking of that one body in heaven, it is speaking of a Catholic church here in earth, and there is none, not of God anyway for God's dwelling is in Christ in heaven as it is written.
If they had the true church in mind, they would have never come up with a creed,
As we are here in this earth, we have our differing opinion for we do not know all things, yet we do know all things as we are in Christ already. We are still sinners, yet in our Father's eyes we are sinless, and this is the truth.
I never said that being in our fleshly tabernacles meant we are not members of that body
"You quote Eph 4:14 at me Jerry. Are you saying that it's wrong to change one's views on doctrine?"It is wrong to exchange one's faith in the plain reading of the Scriptures for men's ideas....or winds of doctrine.
Just clearing up the confusion you are causing.
The Lord is that Spirit. His fleshly body is not with us, but he is as his name is Emmanuel, which being interpreted is God with us. That man that was carried up to the Father is with us alway as he said, for not only is he man, he is that Spirit as he is also our Father in heaven. He is God through and through for he is not only the Way, but also the Truth and the Life. He is not only the Advocate, but he is also the Judge, and also the sinless man on trial. Think of this....Jesus taught us to pray....Our Father which art in heaven....yet he also says this...
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