"2 Pet 2:3, 2 Pet 2:18 and Jude 1:16 say nothing about not using words if they are not found in scripture."

I use words that aren't in Scripture all the time in casual speech. Yet when teaching and correcting brethren on doctrine, or prophesy, we should stick to the words of Scripture for it is written...

1Co 14:9 So likewise ye, except ye utter by the tongue words easy to be understood, how shall it be known what is spoken? for ye shall speak into the air.

2Ti 3:16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
2Ti 3:17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

"The point was that Paul said there was a single church that these living people were members of - which is what you were arguing against earlier. Have you changed your view and now believe that living humans can be part of the one body, the one church? Are you part of it, or not?"

You are still not understanding. The one body is not what you discern it to be. I never argued against the doctrine of there being one body, yet as per the creeds, it is not speaking of that one body in heaven, it is speaking of a Catholic church here in earth, and there is none, not of God anyway for God's dwelling is in Christ in heaven as it is written.

Isa 66:1 Thus saith the LORD, The heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool: where is the house that ye build unto me? and where is the place of my rest?
Isa 66:2 For all those things hath mine hand made, and all those things have been, saith the LORD: but to this man will I look, even to him that is poor and of a contrite spirit, and trembleth at my word.

If they had the true church in mind, they would have never come up with a creed, for in Christ there is no lie, no darkness, no heresy, only Truth. As we are here in this earth, we have our differing opinion for we do not know all things, yet we do know all things as we are in Christ already. We are still sinners, yet in our Father's eyes we are sinless, and this is the truth. I never said that being in our fleshly tabernacles meant we are not members of that body, but the truth is any idea I have can be wrong for it is not knowledge or wisdom that is the qualifying factor of being in that body in heaven, faith is, that is given of God. Your Trinitarian ideas are not that faith, for that is of men's minds, faith in the Lord Jesus Christ is, and no....I don't mean faith in Jesus a good man, I don't mean faith in Christ the prophet, I don't mean a cosmic consciousness, I absolutely without a doubt mean the Lord Jesus Christ.

"You quote Eph 4:14 at me Jerry. Are you saying that it's wrong to change one's views on doctrine?"

It is wrong to exchange one's faith in the plain reading of the Scriptures for men's ideas....or winds of doctrine.

"The remaining verses you quote do not contradict anything I said, nor anything Trinitarianism affirms."

Just clearing up the confusion you are causing. The Lord is that Spirit. His fleshly body is not with us, but he is as his name is Emmanuel, which being interpreted is God with us. That man that was carried up to the Father is with us alway as he said, for not only is he man, he is that Spirit as he is also our Father in heaven. He is God through and through for he is not only the Way, but also the Truth and the Life. He is not only the Advocate, but he is also the Judge, and also the sinless man on trial. Think of this....Jesus taught us to pray....Our Father which art in heaven....yet he also says this...

Joh 14:13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.
Joh 14:14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.

We pray to God who is our Father, and he answers us. The Father gives to us, yet his Son also gives to us for they are one God, yet God glorifies himself in the Son, his church, his body, his man that he is well pleased IN. As it is written, in Isa 66:1-2 "Thus saith the LORD, The heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool: where is the house that ye build unto me? and where is the place of my rest? For all those things hath mine hand made, and all those things have been, saith the LORD: but to this man will I look, even to him that is poor and of a contrite spirit, and trembleth at my word." Also, a little detail to keep in mind about John 14:13, here Jesus speaks of himself in the third person for he refers to himself as "the Son" instead of saying "me", for the reason of distinguishing his flesh from the invisible God. For his Word that he speaks is of the Spirit which he is, for without a doubt he is speaking as the Lord here for who else could attribute God's authority to their own name? Not flesh and blood, but the Spirit who is God who is Jesus, not his body, but himself. Jesus is speaking as God for he truly is God, and therefore refers to himself as the Son, making the distinction that him in his body constitutes the Son, but does not constitute his whole being in relation to the Father.

Joh 15:16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.




I am not your teacher and only wish to share things with you that you may in turn try them by your own knowledge of the Lord. I really don't know any thing. Still learning and growing in the knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. Praying for you and all men that you would also come to the knowledge of the truth and continue to grow in it. I am a sinner, but I have a hope that God through Jesus Christ our Lord will deliver me from my present situation of being a sinner and deliver me from this vile body and I thank him for this promise of eternal life. This is my faith that I share with all my brethren in the Lord who we patiently wait for. Jesus Christ IS come in the flesh.

Rom 8:22-25  For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now. And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body. For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for? But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it. 
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