"Many people heard his voice, yet because of their wrong understanding of his voice, left him."

That's not the reason that Scripture gives.

Phi 1:29 For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;

They left because they were not given ears to hear. As it is written...

Mar 4:12 That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted, and their sins should be forgiven them.

This is the reason for their unbelief, not because they didn't have creeds to universally define faith.

"Jerry, you're missing the point and not answering my questions. I am not saying those who produced the Athanasian Creed are the exact same people who defined the NT canon. However, they are the same general group, i.e. the leaders of the early universal church. How do you know which were led by the Spirit, and which weren't? Why should you or I accept James or Jude as scripture, and not something else instead? How do you know the NT was guided by God and not just a fallible definition, since scripture itself doesn't define the canon?

Two men were each driving their car down a road. Both men agreed there was a speed limit. However, they were driving at different speeds. The first man said, "I am driving the speed limit and the other man is not because I understand the definition of the speed limit to be this...". The other man says, "I am driving the speed limit and the other man is not because I understand the definition of the speed limit to be this...". How can we know which man, if either, is actually driving the true speed limit?"

Actually, I have answered your questions over and over again with Scripture, you are just not hearing and believing the Truth.

"How do you know which were led by the Spirit, and which weren't?"

What did I tell you? I said, and I say AGAIN....You are not giving respect to the work of the Holy Ghost in leading us into all Truth, and this Truth includes what books are of God or not. Here is chapter and verse for you on that one. John 16:3

"Why should you or I accept James or Jude as scripture, and not something else instead?"

I tell you AGAIN....Joh 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will show you things to come.

"Why do you agree with Catholics on the definition of the New Testament?"

Good, a new question that I have not answered as you have not asked. Well, believe it or not, I don't agree with them....they agree with ME AND MY BRETHREN, as they must put on sheep's clothing to disguise themselves.

Mat 24:5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

"How can we know which man, if either, is actually driving the true speed limit?"

Brian, if a man can't read numbers on a sign, he shouldn't be driving. Can both of them read? Then they have no excuse. The problem with your analogy is that you typify the creeds as the speed limit sign, when I go by the Scriptures as the speed limit sign. Who's your FINAL AUTHORITY?

I am not your teacher and only wish to share things with you that you may in turn try them by your own knowledge of the Lord. I really don't know any thing. Still learning and growing in the knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. Praying for you and all men that you would also come to the knowledge of the truth and continue to grow in it. I am a sinner, but I have a hope that God through Jesus Christ our Lord will deliver me from my present situation of being a sinner and deliver me from this vile body and I thank him for this promise of eternal life. This is my faith that I share with all my brethren in the Lord who we patiently wait for. Jesus Christ IS come in the flesh.

Rom 8:22-25  For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now. And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body. For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for? But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.